Wednesday, May 20, 2009
It's the final week of school here...
My oldest is graduating and will be in high school in the fall. They are having a semi formal dance and she's never really been to one. She's a tad goth-ish without the moods. She had her hair done and it's breathtaking. She has the perfect "little black dress" and I did her make up. She doesn't look 14. She doesn't like boys her age because they bore her intellectually and they are too giggly and weird. So she just left for a dance looking 18 and beautiful. I feel like I'm going to puke. I wish I could show you.
Note to people who seem to be brain dead:
If you go on The View you are going to be "ambushed". Ummm duh, people have been whining about it for years. If you are sensitive, DON'T GO THERE!!!
And Glenn,(we all knew I was talking to Glenn Beck, right??) you wouldn't fair well on The Daily Show either. >Newsflash< Jon Stewart chews little crybabies like you up and spits you out.
Here's a couple of ideas for a cool show:
1. Stay for the THIRD segment of The View and let them untie Whoopie. I have a feeling she could make you cry BIG TIME!!
2. Go pick up Jim Cramer and drop in on Jon Stewart. Jim was begging for mercy and asking for forgiveness on The Daily Show then when he's safely out of reach he cries foul to anyone who will listen.
Go back. You know what to expect now. If you have a legitimate case then make it. But stop the whiner baby crap (that goes for you too Cramer.)
Ronald Reagan said: "Facts are stupid things." but they tend to be important if you expect to be credible. You no doubt lied and flip flopped, but then you always do. You started into the second segment pretty good but we were dubious after having listened to you flat out lie. Then you took offense and put words into Barbara Walter's mouth when she asked about what you stand for and that you cry. She meant no offense, you chose to take it that way. Crocodile tears and lies. You sound like a spoiled, petulant, woman. And I don't care what religion you are affiliated with. Lying is a pretty obvious no no. So stop your whining Mormon boy. Get a spine and your stories straight.
Here's the interviews:
Pt.1
Pt.2
Sherri gave the best advice. When you are being spanked, CRY!
And Glenn,(we all knew I was talking to Glenn Beck, right??) you wouldn't fair well on The Daily Show either. >Newsflash< Jon Stewart chews little crybabies like you up and spits you out.
Here's a couple of ideas for a cool show:
1. Stay for the THIRD segment of The View and let them untie Whoopie. I have a feeling she could make you cry BIG TIME!!
2. Go pick up Jim Cramer and drop in on Jon Stewart. Jim was begging for mercy and asking for forgiveness on The Daily Show then when he's safely out of reach he cries foul to anyone who will listen.
Go back. You know what to expect now. If you have a legitimate case then make it. But stop the whiner baby crap (that goes for you too Cramer.)
Ronald Reagan said: "Facts are stupid things." but they tend to be important if you expect to be credible. You no doubt lied and flip flopped, but then you always do. You started into the second segment pretty good but we were dubious after having listened to you flat out lie. Then you took offense and put words into Barbara Walter's mouth when she asked about what you stand for and that you cry. She meant no offense, you chose to take it that way. Crocodile tears and lies. You sound like a spoiled, petulant, woman. And I don't care what religion you are affiliated with. Lying is a pretty obvious no no. So stop your whining Mormon boy. Get a spine and your stories straight.
Here's the interviews:
Pt.1
Pt.2
Sherri gave the best advice. When you are being spanked, CRY!
I'm pro-choice....
I had to go to the doctor today and ran some errands so I had the radio on. I have Sirius in my car so I can listen to leftist talk radio. I have yet to find a talk radio show I like because all the hosts that I've ever listened to are annoying and arrogant and in all reality they don't seem too intelligent. So I was listening to this guy and a woman called in for some help. She was pro-choice and debating the issue with someone she knew and needed to know why she was pro choice. The host advised her to resort to science to confuse the conservative (assuming, of course, that this is a really stupid person) He advised that she talk about the 'blastula' being taken from the womb within the first three months and allowed a chance to survive which, of course it won't. (Embryo or fetus humanizes what some would like to dispose of with no emotional involvement.) I was 15 years old when I met my first atheist. He was my boss at the lab I worked at that summer in Upward Bound. I listened to the debates of these employees of the lab speak of the growth of a child and many of them were christian and probably Mormon. But these were very intelligent men debating science without religion at all. My boss talked of the classic parasitic relationship of the growing embryo to it's host. Parasite sounds so draining. So nasty. In reality there are parasitic or symbiotic relationships that are beneficial, in fact most are. Oops digression.
I have been pregnant 3 times. My first ended after 3 months in miscarriage. The other two resulted in my beautiful daughters. All 3 were planned and very much hoped for. I chose to bring children into the world because I can. I followed all of the conservative rules. I'm married, we could afford to have children, I'm Christian. No scandals. I chose to become a mother because I am pro-choice.
This radio host also said that a reasonable argument is that if someone is in a car accident and needs medical assistance to live that it is interfering in the natural order of things. If God wants someone to live, they will live without interference. Here's the problem: that is ridiculous. It's human nature to do everything to save someone's life. Sometimes people are so determined to keep someone alive that they will let their loved ones live on life support with no real hope of the loved one coming back to them. That won't happen to me because I have a living will. I will not live on life support. Because that is my choice and I am pro-choice.
The opposite of pro-choice is anti-choice so if you aren't pro-choice you aren't pro-democracy, you are pro-autocracy and you think SOCIALISM sucks!
I am also quite obviously pro-life because, again, 3 pregnancies. I think the only people who are pro-death are serial killers and if we are going to go for the assumption that all conservatives or Republican are pro-life then let's assume that they are also pro-capital punishment for said serial killers which takes us back to pro-death.
So forget the semantics. It's really all about abortion. I'm Mormon and one thing we learn from the time we can sit in our own little classes at church we learn about free agency. That it is the gift we were given by God. Had we gone with option #2 we would be forced to do the right thing. Life is a learning experience. You make bad choices sometimes and those are the ones that shape us. Make us better people. If I was raped and discovered I was pregnant, I would NOT terminate the pregnancy. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't even give the child up for adoption, you know why? Because it's MY choice. If it was one of my daughters, I'd have them given the morning after pill. Because until they are old enough to deal with all of the issues that would come from an act forced upon them, I would be making those choices for them. I realize that the morning after pill isn't technically abortion nor is birth control, but these are the gray areas that we have to make choices about. We live in a country that allows us the freedom to MAKE those choices.
I wouldn't have an abortion. If my child gets knocked up out of unprotected consensual sex, they will be and have been told that morally I am opposed to abortion. It's not birth control and some choices have lasting results. I will help them, but they will be responsible for any child that came from an unwise sexual encounter. I will love and help, because I'm their mother and they are MY responsibility. I wouldn't approve of them choosing abortion. I believe that everyone should have the freedom to make their own choices. They should vote responsibly. They should own guns responsibly (if they want to). Making abortion illegal isn't going to stop it from happening. To assume it will is as asinine as Bristol Palin being the spokesgirl for abstinence. Instead we should stop being so completely naive as to believe that they are going to always abstain until marriage, although that is the best choice of all. We need to teach protection, responsibility, and morality.
Leave the moral judgment to God. And beware of those gray areas.
I have been pregnant 3 times. My first ended after 3 months in miscarriage. The other two resulted in my beautiful daughters. All 3 were planned and very much hoped for. I chose to bring children into the world because I can. I followed all of the conservative rules. I'm married, we could afford to have children, I'm Christian. No scandals. I chose to become a mother because I am pro-choice.
This radio host also said that a reasonable argument is that if someone is in a car accident and needs medical assistance to live that it is interfering in the natural order of things. If God wants someone to live, they will live without interference. Here's the problem: that is ridiculous. It's human nature to do everything to save someone's life. Sometimes people are so determined to keep someone alive that they will let their loved ones live on life support with no real hope of the loved one coming back to them. That won't happen to me because I have a living will. I will not live on life support. Because that is my choice and I am pro-choice.
The opposite of pro-choice is anti-choice so if you aren't pro-choice you aren't pro-democracy, you are pro-autocracy and you think SOCIALISM sucks!
I am also quite obviously pro-life because, again, 3 pregnancies. I think the only people who are pro-death are serial killers and if we are going to go for the assumption that all conservatives or Republican are pro-life then let's assume that they are also pro-capital punishment for said serial killers which takes us back to pro-death.
So forget the semantics. It's really all about abortion. I'm Mormon and one thing we learn from the time we can sit in our own little classes at church we learn about free agency. That it is the gift we were given by God. Had we gone with option #2 we would be forced to do the right thing. Life is a learning experience. You make bad choices sometimes and those are the ones that shape us. Make us better people. If I was raped and discovered I was pregnant, I would NOT terminate the pregnancy. I'm pretty certain I wouldn't even give the child up for adoption, you know why? Because it's MY choice. If it was one of my daughters, I'd have them given the morning after pill. Because until they are old enough to deal with all of the issues that would come from an act forced upon them, I would be making those choices for them. I realize that the morning after pill isn't technically abortion nor is birth control, but these are the gray areas that we have to make choices about. We live in a country that allows us the freedom to MAKE those choices.
I wouldn't have an abortion. If my child gets knocked up out of unprotected consensual sex, they will be and have been told that morally I am opposed to abortion. It's not birth control and some choices have lasting results. I will help them, but they will be responsible for any child that came from an unwise sexual encounter. I will love and help, because I'm their mother and they are MY responsibility. I wouldn't approve of them choosing abortion. I believe that everyone should have the freedom to make their own choices. They should vote responsibly. They should own guns responsibly (if they want to). Making abortion illegal isn't going to stop it from happening. To assume it will is as asinine as Bristol Palin being the spokesgirl for abstinence. Instead we should stop being so completely naive as to believe that they are going to always abstain until marriage, although that is the best choice of all. We need to teach protection, responsibility, and morality.
Leave the moral judgment to God. And beware of those gray areas.
Sunday, May 17, 2009
How very dark age crusade-ish.
Prophet of God Rumsfeld's covers of justification for the completely BS war intelligence has been released. Oh my freakishness!!!
Dumsfeld's Holy War
I'm not sure what President Obama is hoping to accomplish by trying to move forward with no accountability to the Bush Administration. He's doubling back on the promise of transparency and in some instances I understand. Though I believe the pictures of the other prisons where unlawful and immoral torture occurred, it's enough for me to know that we were lied to about Abu Ghraib prison. It wasn't an isolated incident and the orders came straight from the top, I don't need to see the pictures of our countrymen acting worse than the people we fought against. The pictures I've seen sicken me. I am kind of hoping that President Obama isn't really going to do nothing, because everyone involved from the top all the way down, people need to pay for this. It's not right. We need to stop making excuses. The soldiers that died fighting a BS war approved of by BS intelligence are owed justice. These men need to be in prison. From Bush on down.
Look at Rumsfeld's covers. They are seriously twisted. To terrorize when it goes against ever moral standard we have, but to use God to justify it is just twisted and wrong.
Dumsfeld's Holy War
I'm not sure what President Obama is hoping to accomplish by trying to move forward with no accountability to the Bush Administration. He's doubling back on the promise of transparency and in some instances I understand. Though I believe the pictures of the other prisons where unlawful and immoral torture occurred, it's enough for me to know that we were lied to about Abu Ghraib prison. It wasn't an isolated incident and the orders came straight from the top, I don't need to see the pictures of our countrymen acting worse than the people we fought against. The pictures I've seen sicken me. I am kind of hoping that President Obama isn't really going to do nothing, because everyone involved from the top all the way down, people need to pay for this. It's not right. We need to stop making excuses. The soldiers that died fighting a BS war approved of by BS intelligence are owed justice. These men need to be in prison. From Bush on down.
Look at Rumsfeld's covers. They are seriously twisted. To terrorize when it goes against ever moral standard we have, but to use God to justify it is just twisted and wrong.
Friday, May 15, 2009
Innnnnnteresting!!
How good am I getting a picking potential political gems???? My daughter's school was honored recently for taking some remarkable strides to become more environmentally aware. Governor Jon Huntsman (who I've never liked nor voted for 'til his recent epiphany that he was going to have to get more moderate) was supposed to be at the school and my daughter was going to be an usher. I told her that if she met him that she should tell him all of what I just said. Unfortunately (or not, because I was kidding and I actually panicked that she might actually tell him all the stuff I've said) he didn't make it and she was bumped from usher to being interviewed on the news. See? They picked the politically aware child. I TOLD you all that I was a political mom. So today I see this:
Obama naming Huntsman ambassador to China
(Taken from Politico)
One thing you can always guess about Mormons and their forays into careers that include a second language is where they served their Mission. As for Mitt Romney being a contender in 2012.. Maybe when hell freezes over there will be a Mormon President (I'd say when pigs fly, but the swine flu joke is just passé.)
But remember I called Kathleen Sebelius as well. Although I would have chosen her as President Obama's running mate.
Obama naming Huntsman ambassador to China
President Barack Obama plans to name Utah Gov. Jon M. Huntsman Jr., a rapidly rising star in the Republican Party, as ambassador to China, a senior administration official said.
The move is freighted with political intrigue. Huntsman, who speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese, quickly emerged after November as one of the leading moderate GOP voices.
Huntsman is often mentioned as a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2012, although some of his advisers think the party primary voters will be more prepared to accept his moderate views on the environment and gay rights in 2016.
Huntsman, who met with Obama’s transition team to discuss energy policy, was in Washington on Friday night, ahead of a planned Saturday announcement by the White House, The Salt Lake Tribune reported. Several Utah news organizations said the governor will resign and accept the appointment.
Huntsman, 49, served a Mormon mission in Taiwan. The governor and his wife, Mary Kaye, adopted a daughter, Gracie Mei, from China in 1999. In 2006, he led a trade mission to China "because of their prominence on the world stage and the way in which they are growing so rapidly," he told the Deseret Morning News of Salt Lake City.
During last year's Republican primaries, he endorsed Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), while his father — businessman Jon M. Huntsman Sr. — endorsed former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. It was a politically shrewd move by the son, because the family was covered regardless of which candidate went on to be the nominee. And Huntsman advisers calculated that Romney would be unlikely to install a fellow Mormon in his Cabinet.
The move has political ripple effects for both parties, giving Democrats one less potential challenger to worry about, and elevating the prospects for Romney and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R).
Ambassador to China is a more substantive job than many postings because of the national-security issues. George H.W. Bush, the future president, held the job from 1974 to 1975.
(Taken from Politico)
One thing you can always guess about Mormons and their forays into careers that include a second language is where they served their Mission. As for Mitt Romney being a contender in 2012.. Maybe when hell freezes over there will be a Mormon President (I'd say when pigs fly, but the swine flu joke is just passé.)
But remember I called Kathleen Sebelius as well. Although I would have chosen her as President Obama's running mate.
Who the freak is Mario Lavandeira?
Mario Lavandeira is not a name that is going to stick in anyone's memory for long, so he jacked Paris Hilton, kinda. And yes, I read his blog. At first he amused me but he's become such a tangle of crazy hypocrisy and self importance it's really difficult to stomach. I think it started to really bug me when he would take pot shots at people who were gay but not following proper gay protocol, or had chosen to keep it private, and the whole Jonas Brothers stalkerish adulation seemed creepy bordering on pedophilia. But he gets on these crazy tears about something and he doesn't seem to comprehend that he's irrational and glaringly hypocritical. He's been really obsessed with the passing of Proposition 8 and thrown a lot of blame and anger toward the Mormon church. To the point that he's become the height of intolerance. He rails on unfair hatred by promoting unfair hatred. I think it's pretty clear that Proposition 8 was passed by enough people in California that the Mormon church wasn't alone (not to mention that he is presuming that every Mormon in California voted yes). His new target is Carrie Prejean (well not new, but his obsessions go on forever and so this one SEEMS new. So the Donald decided that Carrie should be allowed to keep her crown as Miss California. And we all know that Donald Trump is the moral compass that wouldn't stoop to anything unsavory, ever. But I personally think she should be allowed to keep her crown. She was asked her opinion on a pretty hot issue, and she gave it. It's not weird that her opinion was not what Perez Hilton wanted to hear. I'm not sure it's weird that Perez was a judge because it's not like the world hangs in the balance on who actually won. It's that they chose someone so incapable of being impartial because evidence of him being fair has been as scarce as anyone who would even WANT to marry him if it WAS legal in California. It's weird that she's been drug through the mud for some pictures that were taken of her that were really not THAT much more revealing than the swimsuit portion of the contest. It's weird that her moral character has been questioned by the man who called her a bi+@# and a c*&t for her opinion that is not in the minority in California according to the Prop 8 results. It's weird that she has been in the news over and over for exercising her Constitutional right to speak her own opinion. It's weird that she chose to defend herself using belief in God and the Devil and THAT has been torn apart in the "Freedom of Religion" country. It's weird that implants is a major sin, because there are A LOT of people going to hell for that one and I haven't gotten the memo that it's become one of the Commandments. But the weirdest part of all?? I don't know who won. I can't remember. Most people probably never will remember who won. But Carrie Prejean hasn't and won't be forgotten anytime soon. Suck on THAT Perez Hilton!!!
I think I'm in the majority on this one..
Everyone wants the various cryptid theories to be real, don't they? Especially when a specific area has an original one like Scotland's Loch Ness Monster (Nessie) but the cheap knock offs like "Bessie" in Lake Erie, or "Chessie" in Chesapeake Bay are so lame. I mean, the mysterious sea creature sightings all over the world makes it a bit more common, but the similar names... No imagination. At least Lake Champlain's Champ goes for it's own unique name and they even have a scientific version: "Champtanystropheus".
Bigfoot seems like an uninspired name, but Sasquatch sounds a bit more official and Yeti is the best one of all because I would imagine most people in Tibet are lucid and have better things to do than make up crazy "I have Bigfoot in my freezer" stories.
Chupacabra is one of the best in my opinion because what is the heck is it?? It's description is pretty varied: Reptile/Mammal/Canine, possibly 2 species; thought to be a supernatural/alien creature by some Okay that definitely sounds like something you'd see when you've had one too many of something. I'm sure the location of that one has nothing to do with the varied description (Texas, Mexico, Puerto Rico) but the cool name more than makes up for it.
The Jersey Devil is a pretty unique one in description: Winged bipedal horse and I don't know much about New Jersey but I read Janet Evanovich's "Stephanie Plum" series and "Jersey Devil" is thrown around like "beautiful spirit" is in Utah. In West Virginia they call it Mothman only it's missing the horse part. Just a winged bi-pedal.
But right now the Montauk Monster has reared it's ugly beak in the Hamptons again this year, just in time for the Memorial Day weekend. It gives that "freakishly large shark menaces a wealthy mecca at a very busy time" feel to wealthy, paranoid, New Yorkers. I think it's kind of fun, but as with the bigfoot in the freezer episode, year 2 of the Montauk Monster could easily be explained away with DNA.
Sometimes scientific proof ruins all potential for imagination. Grainy photos, clay and feather hoaxes and passed down stories was so much more fun. Even the photoshopped pictures suck.
Bigfoot seems like an uninspired name, but Sasquatch sounds a bit more official and Yeti is the best one of all because I would imagine most people in Tibet are lucid and have better things to do than make up crazy "I have Bigfoot in my freezer" stories.
Chupacabra is one of the best in my opinion because what is the heck is it?? It's description is pretty varied: Reptile/Mammal/Canine, possibly 2 species; thought to be a supernatural/alien creature by some Okay that definitely sounds like something you'd see when you've had one too many of something. I'm sure the location of that one has nothing to do with the varied description (Texas, Mexico, Puerto Rico) but the cool name more than makes up for it.
The Jersey Devil is a pretty unique one in description: Winged bipedal horse and I don't know much about New Jersey but I read Janet Evanovich's "Stephanie Plum" series and "Jersey Devil" is thrown around like "beautiful spirit" is in Utah. In West Virginia they call it Mothman only it's missing the horse part. Just a winged bi-pedal.
But right now the Montauk Monster has reared it's ugly beak in the Hamptons again this year, just in time for the Memorial Day weekend. It gives that "freakishly large shark menaces a wealthy mecca at a very busy time" feel to wealthy, paranoid, New Yorkers. I think it's kind of fun, but as with the bigfoot in the freezer episode, year 2 of the Montauk Monster could easily be explained away with DNA.
Sometimes scientific proof ruins all potential for imagination. Grainy photos, clay and feather hoaxes and passed down stories was so much more fun. Even the photoshopped pictures suck.
Thursday, May 14, 2009
Oh Rush, you are such a kidder..
He was kidding, right???
Okay, so insane liberals are addicted to power so his general insanity is an result of....?? Is he still on drugs?
LIMBAUGH: Have you ever had a genuine addiction to something? Well I have and let me tell you about it. It makes you entirely unreasonable and irrational. It is all you care about. Nothing else matters no matter how important...it doesn't matter as much as the addiction. Feeding it, the fear of not being able to is what animates your existence every day. These people are addicted to power because they think it is their birthright. And I'm not just talking about the people in Washington, elected officials, I'm talking about some of -- not all -- but some of the rank and file, madcap insane liberals that you will find blogging, that you will find emailing, that you will find on the protest march. Their lives are basically meaningless, their addiction to power and dominance and control is what drives them.
Okay, so insane liberals are addicted to power so his general insanity is an result of....?? Is he still on drugs?
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Okay this is so wacked out.
I love Olbermann and I love Stewart. But in this one I agree with Stewart. I would love to see Perez Hilton on The Daily Show.
She politely offered her opinion, and agree or disagree it's her right as an American to have that opinion. She did nothing wrong and she's been annihilated. Totally not what America stands for.
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She politely offered her opinion, and agree or disagree it's her right as an American to have that opinion. She did nothing wrong and she's been annihilated. Totally not what America stands for.
A.I. Life is all about voting these days.
I recognize the role of Simon Cowell on American Idol. He's supposed to be a jerk. I have seen him on Punk'd and Oprah. He's not mean.
This is a description of the Punk'd I saw:
He watches what he believes to be his brand new Rolls Royce (which would pay for my house twice over)crashed into a construction site. He freaks out but not about the car. He starts asking about any people in the accident. If everyone is okay. He never freaks about the car. Also these judges sit for days listen to every freak in America that thinks that the only reason we aren't getting how talented they are it's because they can't bring their shower. By the time they get to Hollywood, if they can't take the inevitable spanking that the judges, especially Simon, they aren't going to be able to handle any of this, anyway. By the end I am usually impatient with the other judges (okay not Randy, but Paula needs to be on a judging panel with Little Richard. She makes no sense.) I think that by this time, Simon is giving them something constructive to work with. Not this year. I totally recognize that Adam is really, really, good, but he's not perfect and Simon hasn't mentioned yelling or shouting in his criticism of Adam once. He totally shouts, sometimes and the tongue thing is distracting. I am thinking he should get it pierced or something. I think Simon has been completely biased on this one. He doesn't give credit when credit is due, to the other contestants and in a sense I think he sabotaged Allison. Last night he told us who to vote for. Kris was the best last night, but between the Vote For The Worst Site and Simon, it's going to be interesting to see who wins...
This is a description of the Punk'd I saw:
Simon Cowell has become a victim of TV prankster Ashton Kutcher's practical joke
show Punk'd.
The British Pop and American Idol judge became Kutcher's latest victim after a bogus valet at a posh Los Angeles restaurant convinced him that the keys to his $400,000 Rolls Royce had been handed over to the wrong man.
Cowell's fellow American Idol judge Randy Jackson [and Ryan Seacrest] was among those who set up the prank.
He watches what he believes to be his brand new Rolls Royce (which would pay for my house twice over)crashed into a construction site. He freaks out but not about the car. He starts asking about any people in the accident. If everyone is okay. He never freaks about the car. Also these judges sit for days listen to every freak in America that thinks that the only reason we aren't getting how talented they are it's because they can't bring their shower. By the time they get to Hollywood, if they can't take the inevitable spanking that the judges, especially Simon, they aren't going to be able to handle any of this, anyway. By the end I am usually impatient with the other judges (okay not Randy, but Paula needs to be on a judging panel with Little Richard. She makes no sense.) I think that by this time, Simon is giving them something constructive to work with. Not this year. I totally recognize that Adam is really, really, good, but he's not perfect and Simon hasn't mentioned yelling or shouting in his criticism of Adam once. He totally shouts, sometimes and the tongue thing is distracting. I am thinking he should get it pierced or something. I think Simon has been completely biased on this one. He doesn't give credit when credit is due, to the other contestants and in a sense I think he sabotaged Allison. Last night he told us who to vote for. Kris was the best last night, but between the Vote For The Worst Site and Simon, it's going to be interesting to see who wins...
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